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10 years 3 months ago #4044 by colin
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Alan wrote:

Frederick wrote:

You must NEVER start the OTTO on a full high red hot electric stove.


This seems to contradict the advice of both Craig and Colin who, unless I've misinterpreted them, advise high electric heat, but a medium gas heat (flames not extending beyond bottom of pot). I'm sure that those buying the Otto would appreciate a definitive answer.


I actually agree with Frederick -- a gentler progress with OTTO or Atomic would not harm the final product.

Come to think of it, how could I disagree with Frederick - he is the zen master of all things caffeine prepared on hot surfaces...

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10 years 3 months ago #4045 by Alan
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frederick's opinion: "The brew extracted from the OTTO is very much an espresso. The OTTO does this at more or less 5 bars. "

colin's opinion: "Is it actual espresso espresso? Not quite. But pretty darn close."

Does the definition of "espresso" need to be re-thought? It'd be interesting to get opinions from other folks . . .

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10 years 3 months ago #4049 by Eamonn
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I was fortunate to sample the Otto in Sydney recently and was mightly impressed. The thing that struck me most when I tasted it was the sweatness of the brew. The only draw back I could see was the time it takes (15 mins, I think they said from start to finish) and you need to cool the Otto down between each brew.
I've been interested in the debate on whether it's true "espresso" or not.
I'm seriously thinking of buying Otto having never considered a stove top before.
Can anyone tell me what I'd miss out on if I got this instead of a Rancilio Silvia which is my other choice??

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10 years 3 months ago - 10 years 3 months ago #4050 by frederick
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I can't tell you what is considered espresso for other people.

I have drunk many espressos in my life, undoubtly like so many others here.
I have drunk them in many different countries brewed from many different beans.
OTTO makes espresso.
One thing to consider. the coffee "nation" has moved it's central auspices over the past decades.
Ethiopia started it all and then this center moved to Turkey. The turks knew all about coffee...or so they thought. Hungary became the center at one point, the ATOMIC made by Qualital does attest to that, Irene Notaras of Bon Trading swears by the knowledge that the Hungarians have in making coffee.
In the eighteenth century the center of attention for coffee was England. England for heaven's sake ! We all thought that it was a nation of tea imbibers.
France made complicated apparatus for extracting the brew and also was known as a nation that knew it's coffee. Did the French drink the same as the Brits?
Italy is fairly new to the game but certainly the manufacturers are a very prolific lot when it comes to designing a coffee maker.
Right now the shift is towards Australia and New Zealand. I certainly had WONDERFUL coffee over there. But was that Espresso at the Rover Hotel in Auckland better than the one that I had in Sardaigna?
Like Amanda Marshall sings: I can't taste what you can.
Who decided on Pavoni street, (yes, it does exist and many coffe maker industries are located there) that espresso can only be made at 9-12 bar?
I can't recall any stovetop machine able to brew espresso at 5 bar. But the OTTO does do dat.
To my taste buds, to the few who had the chance to really experiment with the OTTO, this in my deep belief excludes our dear beloved Colin from the group because he didn't retain it long enough, all can say in one loud and clear voice, with no hesitation or faltering whatsoever:
THE OTTO MAKES ESPRESSO and a GOOD ONE AT THAT!

I disagree with the brewing time, here in La Belle Province (The Beautiful Province..hey it says so on our licence plates...) electricity is.....How can I put it? Fast!
In the morning the OTTO does it's number in around 6 minutes.
It also does it in silence. Quite disconcerting I might add when one is used to the crescendo noise of the ATOMIC who beckons you to stop fooling around with the computer and come forth and froth.
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10 years 3 months ago #4051 by Eamonn
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frederick wrote:


I disagree with the brewing time, here in La Belle Province (The Beautiful Province..hey it says so on our licence plates...) electricity is.....How can I put it? Fast!
In the morning the OTTO does it's number in around 6 minutes.
It also does it in silence. Quite disconcerting I might add when one is used to the crescendo noise of the ATOMIC who beckons you to stop fooling around with the computer and come forth and froth.


Frederick, good to hear it's 6 mins. The Otto guys told me 15 but I think they're allowing for preparation time, brewing time and possibly even time to get it ready for the next brew.
In my opinion the espresso was as good an espresso as I've tasted from machines costing twice the price. But will I miss out on anything if I buy this instead of a machine?

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10 years 3 months ago #4052 by frederick
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WEll, my coffee friend,
you will be missing out on a few things if you acquire an OTTO instead of a "machine". Indeed you will.
The pleasure of pumps breaking down....you will miss that unfortunately.
The difficulty in getting odd parts. We all love challenges, you will have to live without those. C'est la vie.
The other purchase that you could have made with the money that you saved: new digital camera perhaps or even a trip....

The added joy of hard plumbing that machine, you wouldn't want a machine that you fill by hand now would you?
You will miss also the periodical clean up particularly in those hard to reach, bacteria friendly little nooks and corners.
And besides gleaming chrome does look gleaming if it's....well...gleaming. The OTTO is a cinch to render pristine. Unfortunately. 20 seconds and you're done.

I sometimes took my ATOMIC with me when invited for dinner or for a week-end stay at a friend....you won't be able to do that with the Capillaro Mervellosa Espress.
I'm anxious to show off the OTTO in just the same manner, in fact it comes with a very well made carrying case to boot containing all the paraphenalia needed for gastronomicaly sampling your favorite bean.

Certaimly you will miss the space that you lose in your kitchen.

Unless another Craig Hiron comes around in a few months, or I'm invited to play cards with Giordanno Robbiati, I consider that I have reached contentment with the OTTO. Having searched far and wide for the best machine to make espresso and having found it in the guise of the Synesso, a one group wonder made in Seattle for a mere 16000.00 (sixteen thousand), the OTTO is really the best choice.
Get one. Life is short. Short black that is.

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