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13 years 2 months ago #2452 by sam
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Hey man, I have two kids and I refuse to leave them locked in the car while I go to enjoy a coffee. I think that most people go to good cafes not to escape, but to engage. Not to avoid work and children, but to have a great cup of coffee. Obviously my relationship with Beans and Greens makes my opinion of their coffee invalid, but that fact that I have two children and LOVE to spend as much time with them as possible makes me happy that others feel children are part of our lives. Just because they are under 3 feet tall does not make it taboo for a cafe to want to have some books, toys and healthy snacks for them and to make great coffee !
Thank-you B&G for providing a venue for people with children (which seems to be most of us eventually).
Sorry Colin, I had to call you on this one.
13 years 2 months ago #2453 by colin
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Thank you for that Mister Jones.

I think you get the spirit of my comments in as much as this is the coffeecrew website and some of our stuff is out there.

Additionally, I was speaking as much to my new irish-CANADIAN friend who seems to find fault with way too much of my beloved Victoria.

Then again - I too should maintain a diligent sense of humor.

I may have been a tad too hard on the B&G -- and I am surprised to see they have a Synesso.

Naturally I will be checking up on how their treat your beans (and your machine!)

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13 years 2 months ago #2455 by Stickman
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If it's not too late to weigh in on the kid issue...

When I was planning my coffee shop out here in Sooke one of the primary considerations was to find a site with space for kids. I had spent many days at Cafe du soleil in Vancouver and appreciated their considerations of the under 1metre crowd. I lucked out with my site as it has a front courtyard for adults and back garden for families. It's been working well for the past 10 days anyway!

Truth is, mums and dads love good coffee and they love their kids and to find places where to indulge both passions could be something close to bliss.
13 years 2 months ago #2457 by colin
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I tend to agree Stick.

I did a couple of meals in Vancouver on the weekend - Feenies and The Rain City Grill.

Both places had couples with kids - albeit all very well behaved kids... Feenies even had a few tables with toddlers. And it worked. No reason why it shouldn't.

I think the thrust of my argument was against a cafe that is visually confusing; it is a garden store? Is it a daycare? Is it a cafe.

It appeared at first glance to be a bit of all three.

\"Stick in the Mud\" in Sooke is an example of what you get when you think it all out.

This is called Balance.
13 years 2 months ago #2458 by colin
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A sidebar - In years and years of observations I have also noticed that nothing sets off more alarm bells for people that talking about \"kids\" or \"pets\".

It must be a natural preservation thing or something. Not quite so sure about the pet thing.

It is the ultimate hot button issue in society.

My wife and I have eschewed children for a variety of reasons - one of them is the impact on the environment that every single human creates. We are already on a deeply troubled planet on a perilous course towards who knows what - what we do not need are all the big families I am starting to see again. On a recent trip to Vancouver, I could not get over the number of 3 children (and above) families. For me, it's staggering.

On a somewhat trivial level, my wife and I do pay for our choice by all the criticism we receive from some of our reproducing peers: \"You two are so selfish!\", \"You guys hate children, don't you?!\"

Utter rubbish, but we are used to it.

Anyway -- back to the coffee! (And do not get me started on people and their blessed pets!) :pinch:
13 years 1 month ago #2471 by colin
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My current favorite cafe is (hands down) Discovery Coffee - it is, most definitely kid friendly.

What I have a problem with (and this is totally beyond the control of the owner) are the lug-nuts that arrive with 3 or 4 pre-school or just-school-age kids in tow and they have free reign of the cafe.

I was there waiting for my buddy Adam last Saturday when bulldog-shaped man arrives with mom and 4 kids. Who has 4 children under the age of 6 these days? Anyhow, the parents found a place to camp while the 4 kids turned the insides of Discovery Coffee into a playground - 2 of the kids played outside on the sidewalk (outside of the view of the parents) and 2 spent their time running around the interior using various tables and chairs (including mine) as a tag point. At various times one of the kids would plunk itself down in the chair I was saving for Adam and mug at me for a few moments before getting bored and flitting off.

No one, including me, is going to ask Bulldog man to reign in his kids because you know how these situations end: Bull-dog man yells or blusters at the customer who does not appear to enjoy his kids as much as daddy does and customer ends up coming across as kid-unfriendly much like Sam probably is thinking as he reads this. ;-)
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